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bush conspiracy theory of course was always that john kerry absolutely destroyed george w. bush in that debate when bush was supposedly wearing a listening device. so if he was wearing a listening device whoever was supposedly whispering in the president's ear was not whispering things that helped him. that's always the part i didn't understand. but the 2012 version of that theory now is that mitt romney cheated in the debate against president obama this week not by having somebody feed him the answers through an ear piece but rather by bringing the illegal crib sheet on to the debate stage with him. you see, previous debate rules have set out very clearly that, quote, no props, notes, charts, diagrams, or other writings or other tangible things may be brought into the debate by any candidate and yet have a look at this damning evidence. this is at the very beginning of the debate on wednesday night and as you'll be able to see clearly here what is that in your pocket? mr. romney very clearly pulls something from his right pocket and he pops it on to the podium in front of
bush conspiracy theory of course was always that john kerry absolutely destroyed george w. bush in that debate when bush was supposedly wearing a listening device. so if he was wearing a listening device whoever was supposedly whispering in the president's ear was not whispering things that helped him. that's always the part i didn't understand. but the 2012 version of that theory now is that mitt romney cheated in the debate against president obama this week not by having somebody feed him the...
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. >> which is what george w. bush did against al gore. the next day the bush campaign talked about how al gore lied inside. this whole montage of gore rolling his eyes. and then actually the perception of the debate after the debate was that al gore had lost even though the people who watched it during the debate -- >> and who won the election? >> let's not get ahead of ourselves. >> i doubt the undecided voter is the main population watching the debate. the undecided voter is chearing the spin of the debates. >> big bird, we tend to watch these debates in a different way. one of the points that i have made with people that have called to complain about the president's performance is i would be interested in -- >> they're calling you up? >> i have a had he people that work in politics. what happened? why? why? one of the things i said is, you know, you have to sit in a roomful of, let's say women, who don't follow this every day and see how they perceived it. because i have had a few people say one of the things we're missing is that the
. >> which is what george w. bush did against al gore. the next day the bush campaign talked about how al gore lied inside. this whole montage of gore rolling his eyes. and then actually the perception of the debate after the debate was that al gore had lost even though the people who watched it during the debate -- >> and who won the election? >> let's not get ahead of ourselves. >> i doubt the undecided voter is the main population watching the debate. the undecided...
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in 2004, george w. bush beat senator john kerry with 52% of the vote, and we all remember what happened in 2000 between vice president gore and george w. bush. how difficult is it to handicap the race in florida? >> well, i'd say it's pretty close to impossible. your poll -- your poll this week basically showed what ours showed about a week and a half ago, that it was a one-point race. and as anne mentioned, there are these economic head winds. florida is at 8.8%. people feel that. this isn't a state where we've had a thriving auto sector. we have really no manufacturing here. so you can't talk about the auto bailout. you know, we have a home building industry, and that's essentially been in the tank. the state's home foreclosure race is among the highest in the nation. probably the third highest, if i'm not mistaken. so you have this as the backdrop. and there's a really broad sense among people that the country's headed in the wrong direction, that the state's headed in the wrong direction, and it's d
in 2004, george w. bush beat senator john kerry with 52% of the vote, and we all remember what happened in 2000 between vice president gore and george w. bush. how difficult is it to handicap the race in florida? >> well, i'd say it's pretty close to impossible. your poll -- your poll this week basically showed what ours showed about a week and a half ago, that it was a one-point race. and as anne mentioned, there are these economic head winds. florida is at 8.8%. people feel that. this...
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president george w. bush wanted to end that which set off a panic and led to romney and kennedy going to the bush administration and cutting a deal with them. massachusetts could keep the money if they put it toward a universal health care plan. that's how it got started. romney and kennedy were trying to keep this federal money. they wanted that money. then the state did two other things. they first covered everyone they could cover in their medicaid problem so they could get the most possible match from the federal government. right now federal medicaid from the federal government -- that is an incredible deal for people in massachusetts. they're getting subsidized by the rest of the country. and then the third way romney paid for it is massachusetts had long before romney was governor, imposed a tax in order to reimburse hospitals for the care they provided to the uninsured. romney took that tax and put it towards his law. so that's two pots of federal money sand a tax. so how much of romney's proposa
president george w. bush wanted to end that which set off a panic and led to romney and kennedy going to the bush administration and cutting a deal with them. massachusetts could keep the money if they put it toward a universal health care plan. that's how it got started. romney and kennedy were trying to keep this federal money. they wanted that money. then the state did two other things. they first covered everyone they could cover in their medicaid problem so they could get the most possible...
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elaine child the former george w. bush's labor secretary said the same thing. so serious republicans who understand that these are two totally different surveys, they sort of understand the process and the way bls works there's not really a conspiracy here. >> can i ask you? you've been around d.c. for a long time. has anyone ever questioned this number, any reason to be suspicious of the integrity of it? >> i don't think so. you heard what jared said earlier. you heard what all the other folks say. i love that little line that jared had that they don't let the jan tors take out the garbage until after the numbers are released. it's funny. remember last month when the rather weak unemployment numbers came out, president obama knew them, knew what the numbers would be when he was giving a speech at the democratic convention because the president gets to know the day before when his council of economic advisers chairman takes a piece of paper over and tells him. he knew those numbers when he was giving that big speech. he knew the next morning he'd have to conten
elaine child the former george w. bush's labor secretary said the same thing. so serious republicans who understand that these are two totally different surveys, they sort of understand the process and the way bls works there's not really a conspiracy here. >> can i ask you? you've been around d.c. for a long time. has anyone ever questioned this number, any reason to be suspicious of the integrity of it? >> i don't think so. you heard what jared said earlier. you heard what all the...
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. >> what is your fondest memory of your time in the white house with president george w. bush? >> that we have known each other on and off. served as governors together. probably giving him barney was -- the best thing. >> so he had a present for his wife. a form of jewelry. her chief of staff said he wouldn't like it so he'd taken it back and didn't have a gift. it was her birthday. we just had a litter of puppies. why don't you give her a puppy? >> barney was loved. >> the most watched videos for the white house. >> remember barney cam? so much fun. more of our conversation at noon. why mitt romney has the reputation of having a difficult time connecting with voters. >>> coming up, mitt romney ruffles feathers at pbs. what's the truth? could big bird survive if mr. romney gets his way? ♪ tell me how to get to sesame street ♪ ♪ on my way to where the air is sweet can you tell me how to get, how to get to sesame street ♪ >> for all of you moms and kids out there, don't worry. somebody is finally getting tough on big bird. rounding him up. elmo's got to watch out, too. g
. >> what is your fondest memory of your time in the white house with president george w. bush? >> that we have known each other on and off. served as governors together. probably giving him barney was -- the best thing. >> so he had a present for his wife. a form of jewelry. her chief of staff said he wouldn't like it so he'd taken it back and didn't have a gift. it was her birthday. we just had a litter of puppies. why don't you give her a puppy? >> barney was loved....
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in 2004, president george w. bush not only blinked more in the debate against senator john kerry, he also won re-election, so there you go. >>> up next, getting in the way of democracy. the latest news that could affect who might get stopped on their way to the voting booth during election day. this is msnbc. [ man ] ring ring... progresso this reduced sodium soup says it may help lower cholesterol, how does it work? you just have to eat it as part of your heart healthy diet. step 1. eat the soup. all those veggies and beans, that's what may help lower your cholesterol and -- well that's easy [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. that's what may help lower your cholesterol and -- well that's easy you're not just looking for a by house. eyes you're looking for a place for your life to happen. i'm done! [ chuckles ] sweet [ female announcer ] swiffer's wet mopping cloths can clean better than mops in half the time swiffer. better clean in half the time. or your money back. >>> just yesterday, a u
in 2004, president george w. bush not only blinked more in the debate against senator john kerry, he also won re-election, so there you go. >>> up next, getting in the way of democracy. the latest news that could affect who might get stopped on their way to the voting booth during election day. this is msnbc. [ man ] ring ring... progresso this reduced sodium soup says it may help lower cholesterol, how does it work? you just have to eat it as part of your heart healthy diet. step 1....
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>> a priceless moment there from george w. bush. went or very narrowly, built a little bit of a lead and kept it until the very end and more recently in 2004, george w. bush running for re-election. again, a very competitive close race with john kerry for a long time. after the first debate george w. bush came down, a lot of people said that he was shaky in that debate, didn't answer a question about the iraq war very well and stabilized the race a little bit and in the end, in the final debate, look at this, almost tied coming in, bush starts to pull away with a strong last debate performance where he made a connection on faith. >> it's very personal. i pray for strength, i pray for which is dornlgs i pray for our troops in harp's way, i pray for my family. i pray for my little girls. prayer and religion sustain me. i receive calmness in the storms of the presidency. >> calmness in the storms of the presidency from george w. bush. he went on then from that debate to keep his lead and to win that election. >> and joining me now is c
>> a priceless moment there from george w. bush. went or very narrowly, built a little bit of a lead and kept it until the very end and more recently in 2004, george w. bush running for re-election. again, a very competitive close race with john kerry for a long time. after the first debate george w. bush came down, a lot of people said that he was shaky in that debate, didn't answer a question about the iraq war very well and stabilized the race a little bit and in the end, in the final...
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when george w. bush did in 2005, because of katrina. when obama did it, a year ago, it was because of libya. and in each case, price the went down significantly. i don't think the obama administration will do it now because it will look too political and might actually be political if they were to do it, but i would note that gas prices are starting to come down from where they had been and romney, who is blaming obama for the increase in gas prices is not giving obama any credit for the gas prices actually going down. >> all right. jonas? >> i think that the government could make money trading this thing, and in charge of the spr. and sell at $100 a barrel and announce you're going to drill in the public lands and-- i'm saying that's not the job of government and moreover a political thing wouldn't become a thing it make money, it'd be to drive prices down before the election. and for the iran situation, that's probably what it's for an old-fashioned concept we don't use it because people don't like $4 gas, gas is going to get more exp
when george w. bush did in 2005, because of katrina. when obama did it, a year ago, it was because of libya. and in each case, price the went down significantly. i don't think the obama administration will do it now because it will look too political and might actually be political if they were to do it, but i would note that gas prices are starting to come down from where they had been and romney, who is blaming obama for the increase in gas prices is not giving obama any credit for the gas...
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the fact that president george w. bush said the worst moment of his presidency was when kanye west suggested that he was racist, there's a part of me that likes that. i like the idea that people find racism bad. and they don't want to be associated with it. right? on the one hand that is progress. there was much of american history where people were like, yep, i'm a racist. that's happening at the same time we get this narrative. >> that's the importance of having the conversation about race. the complexity is that we've made so much progress in this country, that it isn't acceptable to be racist. and that as a result, so many people aren't consciously racist. right? and at the same time, because we have our first black president, it's also brought up some of the overt stuff. so like post-2008, after obama's elected, white supremacist websites started crashing because of the increased traffic to white supremacist sites. that's over at racism. at the same time, the danger in not talking about race is that for the major
the fact that president george w. bush said the worst moment of his presidency was when kanye west suggested that he was racist, there's a part of me that likes that. i like the idea that people find racism bad. and they don't want to be associated with it. right? on the one hand that is progress. there was much of american history where people were like, yep, i'm a racist. that's happening at the same time we get this narrative. >> that's the importance of having the conversation about...
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it happened in 2000 with president george w. bush in florida and it's going to happen again this year. >> there was a report from the pew hispanic center a few days ago saying a record 24 million, 24 million latinos are eligible to vote. >> right. >> but their turnout rate has consistently lagged behind whites and blacks. >> not that much. the latino decision polls are usually very accurate because they're polling specifically latino voters, registered voters and the unthus see amp level was very low. in the last poll it had increased to 82%. >> that's understandable. >> romney? >> no, we're getting a little bit closer to the election. people are paying more attention to the election. when you see the polls and try to understand why the numbers are so different between romney and obama, you have to understand the great majority feel that democrats represent their interests and care about their issues more than republicans. and what has hurt republicans is that very negative rhetoric on the immigration issue. that has hurt republ
it happened in 2000 with president george w. bush in florida and it's going to happen again this year. >> there was a report from the pew hispanic center a few days ago saying a record 24 million, 24 million latinos are eligible to vote. >> right. >> but their turnout rate has consistently lagged behind whites and blacks. >> not that much. the latino decision polls are usually very accurate because they're polling specifically latino voters, registered voters and the...
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w. and you are now looking at live pictures from the rally, amphitheater and meanwhile, earlier in the day, his wife, ann was greeted with kind words, by supporters at an orlando campaign office. >> i really believe, that your husband is going to be, i think that he will have as much impact as ronald reagan, if not more. >> he'll do better than ronald reagan. >> i felt that for a long time, so... >> arthel: carl cameron is live in apopka, florida where the governor is set to take the stage, fund-raising news from both campaigns, carl? >> reporter: that's right, may be a while before we see governor romney, it is lightning country in florida and the campaign's arrival is delayed because of fear that it might be a threatening storm. a big crowd here and big money raised by mitt romney since the debate. his debate performance clearly caught the attention of both republicans, who were worried about the trajectory of his campaign and new voters and the campaign is reporting since the debate p
w. and you are now looking at live pictures from the rally, amphitheater and meanwhile, earlier in the day, his wife, ann was greeted with kind words, by supporters at an orlando campaign office. >> i really believe, that your husband is going to be, i think that he will have as much impact as ronald reagan, if not more. >> he'll do better than ronald reagan. >> i felt that for a long time, so... >> arthel: carl cameron is live in apopka, florida where the governor is...
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george w. bush, john mccain, and bob dole, they could not debate. republicans finally have someone on stage that could take it to the democrats. >> focusing the mind. >> it is the prospect of hanging that focuses the mind. >> either way, you are dead. >> give romney credit for this. he is a fighter. he came out and was behind in south carolina. he pulled together in florida. he took on newt gingrich. he did the same thing to him what he did to obama. he was well prepared. he was confident. he showed that he could go toe to toe with the president, looking in the eye, and not be condescending or patronizing. he dealt with obama the way that obama should i dealt with him. >> in the 50 years of presidential debates, i do not think there has been a debate in which there was such a decisive win in the absence of a gaffe. if you have one like the one with ford in eastern europe, others along the way, it is decisive. it is usually a muddled outcome, or one of the bad moments, like, i knew jack kennedy, you're no jack kennedy. but there was no sound bite in
george w. bush, john mccain, and bob dole, they could not debate. republicans finally have someone on stage that could take it to the democrats. >> focusing the mind. >> it is the prospect of hanging that focuses the mind. >> either way, you are dead. >> give romney credit for this. he is a fighter. he came out and was behind in south carolina. he pulled together in florida. he took on newt gingrich. he did the same thing to him what he did to obama. he was well...
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george w. bush was the second worst since roosevelt, so there was obviously a problem president obama was handed when he came to office. look as what he's been handed and look what it's been run up to. if you take the average yearly deficits and put them up as a percentage of gdp or what the country was producing at the time, the size of the deficit compared with the economy, under president obama's watch sill the biggest size of a deficit as compared with the economy, still the biggest since roosevelt. look at roosevelt, look back at fdr. the deficit then was nearly as big and that deficit was almost erased. how did roosevelt do that? created social security and levied heavier taxes, programs for housing and agriculture, put new controls over banks, public utilities and created enormous work relief programs for the unemployed. sounds similar to the president's proposals today, but unlike the last four years fdr saw the unemployment drop, millions of jobs created, gdp jumped, the deficit shrank
george w. bush was the second worst since roosevelt, so there was obviously a problem president obama was handed when he came to office. look as what he's been handed and look what it's been run up to. if you take the average yearly deficits and put them up as a percentage of gdp or what the country was producing at the time, the size of the deficit compared with the economy, under president obama's watch sill the biggest size of a deficit as compared with the economy, still the biggest since...
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. >> while george w. bush was president, the government changed some of the laws that protected the nation's drinking water. >> ♪ so it all goes back to 2005 ♪ ♪ bush said gas drillers didn't have to comply ♪ ♪ with the safe drinking water act ♪ ♪ before too long it was "frack, baby frack" ♪ ♪ until the break of dawn >> with fracking that's not properly regulated comes another threat -- the release of toxic gas into the air. >> so, on top of the drinking water being contaminated and undrinkable, the air is also posing a serious health problem, as well. >> alex is from the environmental working group. they want to prevent pollution. rachel works for a company that represents the gas industry. they want to help america benefit from an important source of fuel. both sides probably agree on one thing... >> ♪ now, it's not that drillers should never be fracking ♪ ♪ but the current regulation is severely lacking ♪ ♪ reduce the toxins, contain the gas and wastewater ♪ ♪ and the pe
. >> while george w. bush was president, the government changed some of the laws that protected the nation's drinking water. >> ♪ so it all goes back to 2005 ♪ ♪ bush said gas drillers didn't have to comply ♪ ♪ with the safe drinking water act ♪ ♪ before too long it was "frack, baby frack" ♪ ♪ until the break of dawn >> with fracking that's not properly regulated comes another threat -- the release of toxic gas into the air. >> so, on top of...
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when people could have played it out, that president george w. bush went to new orleans a few weeks after the hurricane and committed $125 billion to help new orleans, anybody that has been near new orleans knows an enormous amount of federal money which the president chose not to talk about. >> jon: didn't he in the same speech speaking glowing words about reverend wright? >> i think he was said unapologetically christian and black. but the president doesn't normally mention race when he gives a speech like that. that made it different but i don't think it makes it a scandal. it's the level of 47% statement which is what i think the republicans were trying to do by dragging out this on tape. it didn't work. i think it fell flat. >> i would agree with judy. remember that the president also said about new orleans and katrina that the administration was colorblind in terms of that, but what i have to say, they cover this in politico, how come nobody has been discussion whether the obama administration has made a difference in the african-american c
when people could have played it out, that president george w. bush went to new orleans a few weeks after the hurricane and committed $125 billion to help new orleans, anybody that has been near new orleans knows an enormous amount of federal money which the president chose not to talk about. >> jon: didn't he in the same speech speaking glowing words about reverend wright? >> i think he was said unapologetically christian and black. but the president doesn't normally mention race...
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the rate is now below when the president took over when the george w. bush cataclysm was gaining steam. shouldn't we all be overjoyed? not if you're hyper partisan voice of corporate plutocacy like jack welch who tweeted out the following message. unbelievable jobs numbers these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so change numbers. come on, jack. the notion of the department of labor plays games with these numbers for political reasons is silly ludicrous, and insulting to government workers who have reported news, good and bad faithfully for many decades. it strikes me, jack, that there have been a few more cases of corporate gamesmanship with financial numbers than cases where the government was not honest in the past few years. in fact, didn't your company g.e. have an accounting issue led to a big sec settlement not so long ago? now that you've made this outlandish claim, where is your proof, your evidence, the facts to substantiate you're certification, or is it just a partisan screed? you might remember when my office charged ge then under
the rate is now below when the president took over when the george w. bush cataclysm was gaining steam. shouldn't we all be overjoyed? not if you're hyper partisan voice of corporate plutocacy like jack welch who tweeted out the following message. unbelievable jobs numbers these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so change numbers. come on, jack. the notion of the department of labor plays games with these numbers for political reasons is silly ludicrous, and insulting to government...
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if you look at national debt under president obammasm this is a guy who said that your boss, george w. bush was irresponsible and unpatriotic for taking a credit card in the name of our quids kids and grandkids and borrowing from the bank of china. $6 trillion by one four-year term, more than george bush in 8 years. >> at least, we were growing the economy, while bush was in office. we are not growing the economy -- we are growing the debt much faster than the economy. think about this when president obama came into office, the public debt --ont the total debt, secured in the form of a bond and sold, was equal to 40% of gbr dp. because of the stimulus bill and the increase in the federal budget, it was 54% of gdp. by the end of 2010, 62%, by the end of last year, 70% of gdp and by the end of this year, only because republicans control the house and have put some of the brakes on the spending, it will be 72% of gdp. everything's costing more. and why? because as a country, we are spending money we do not have. what that causes, that causes to eat away at purchasing power of the dollar.
if you look at national debt under president obammasm this is a guy who said that your boss, george w. bush was irresponsible and unpatriotic for taking a credit card in the name of our quids kids and grandkids and borrowing from the bank of china. $6 trillion by one four-year term, more than george bush in 8 years. >> at least, we were growing the economy, while bush was in office. we are not growing the economy -- we are growing the debt much faster than the economy. think about this...
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. >> reporter: leonard rodriguez outreach strategy for george w. bush's presidential campaigns. we met in his san antonio home. how do they fall into this pit fall of appearing? >> talking one way to a particular group of individuals, and then going to the next event and talking predominantly to a group of hispanic individuals. it forces the candidate to look out there and now know he is talking and delivering a message that has to bring these two groups of people together. >> reporter: television ads offer a snapshot to president obama and mitt romney's strategy in courting voters. the obama campaign is using latino celebrities targeting specific issues like education, immigration and even the appointment of sonya sote omier. mitt romney is using family. he talks about american values and bipartisanship. the chief marketing officer of cultural strategy, he sees obama and romney targeting specific groups in the latino community. romney chasing the more conservative cuban american vote, obama focusing on puerto rican and mexican american votes. he says to get these votes the mess
. >> reporter: leonard rodriguez outreach strategy for george w. bush's presidential campaigns. we met in his san antonio home. how do they fall into this pit fall of appearing? >> talking one way to a particular group of individuals, and then going to the next event and talking predominantly to a group of hispanic individuals. it forces the candidate to look out there and now know he is talking and delivering a message that has to bring these two groups of people together. >>...
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w. ♪ bill built hi, i'm bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. the democrats striking back. that is the subject of this evening's talking points memo. upfront we have some brand new polling by rasmussen, the first taken since the big debate. in the must-win state of florida. governor romney now leads 49, 47, however that's a dead heat when the factor in the march i didn't know of error. in the vital state of ohio mitt romney has surged 49% to mr. romney's 50. a virtual dead heat there as well. a few days ago had the president up big in ohio. in crucial virginia romney leads 49, 48, another tie in the margin of error. with the country still talking about mitt romney's victory the democratic party has decided to go into full attack mode. the strategy seems to be very simple. call mitt romney a liar. >> plenty of people have pointed out what a liar mitt romney is and was last night. i mean if he was talking -- if he was speaking last night, he was lying. >> look, mitt romney had a
w. ♪ bill built hi, i'm bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. the democrats striking back. that is the subject of this evening's talking points memo. upfront we have some brand new polling by rasmussen, the first taken since the big debate. in the must-win state of florida. governor romney now leads 49, 47, however that's a dead heat when the factor in the march i didn't know of error. in the vital state of ohio mitt romney has surged 49% to mr. romney's 50. a virtual dead heat there...
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under george w. bush, the final five years, we is that you household income rise by $5,000. so that's quite -- >> bush presided over the economy that collapsed and he wasn't the federal government not watching the gangsters on wall street, trading all of these derivatives. the top donors to each campaign. dobbs can comment from open secrets dot-org. president obama's re-election campaign, university of california, biggest donor, microsoft, goog eel harvard! i'm outraged. u.s. government -- i don't know that works. deloit, dl piper, stanford university, kaiser, sidly austin. anything surprise ow here on that list? >> the surprise here is going back to 2008 and 2004 and locking at the number of banks that obama has lost. he has lost wall street. >> the banks are giving to romney. harvard pinheads and the university of california, that sidly austin is a law firm. here's the romney done ogoldman sachs, bank of america, j.p. morgan, morgan stanley, all the banks, credit criss, citigroup,bar clays, dirkland, that's a law firm. the banks have gone for romney, why? >> they are gone
under george w. bush, the final five years, we is that you household income rise by $5,000. so that's quite -- >> bush presided over the economy that collapsed and he wasn't the federal government not watching the gangsters on wall street, trading all of these derivatives. the top donors to each campaign. dobbs can comment from open secrets dot-org. president obama's re-election campaign, university of california, biggest donor, microsoft, goog eel harvard! i'm outraged. u.s. government...
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and in fact, george w. bush, president bush made that connection explicitly. connected himself made the parallel with lincoln and the need to suppress the liberties in order to protect the nation. >> where did judge holt fall on that. >> he would have said there are places are civil liberties need to be suppressed. in doing so, it tends to be easier for people to look at holt and say what a wicked man he was and forget they were lincoln's own policies. he was pursuing lincoln's policy. lincoln named him judge advocate general on november 3rd and extend the has been use corp. us. that same month. it was only two to three weeks after lincoln appointed holt he suspended the writ of has been use corpus and issued emancipation proclamation. he wouldn't have put holt in that position if he didn't expect him to follow through on the policy and support him. holt was doing lincoln's work. >> wasn't it issued during that time as it is now. >> absolutely. there was a big issue. >> the issue of suppression of civil liby. yes there were many comaint lincoln had a famous di
and in fact, george w. bush, president bush made that connection explicitly. connected himself made the parallel with lincoln and the need to suppress the liberties in order to protect the nation. >> where did judge holt fall on that. >> he would have said there are places are civil liberties need to be suppressed. in doing so, it tends to be easier for people to look at holt and say what a wicked man he was and forget they were lincoln's own policies. he was pursuing lincoln's...